NAKAKALOKA! ITO PALA ANG TUNAY NA RELASYON NI AR DELA SERNA AT HARRY ROQUE

Mr chair let me go back again to my question I’m trying to figure out the circumstances by which you met Attorney Harry Roque and What’s so special about this affiliation that he will make you a stockholder of a company So bilang ako hindi ko iisipin po na bigyan ng stock ng share sa isang kompanya yung um tao nakakakilala ko pa lang Mr share Sorry Babalik lang ako sa tanong ni Cong Jinky kanina um ngayon na Hindi ka na employed under um the office of the presidential spokesperson as an EA What is your relationship with Attorney Harry rock

now enz Recto kalaban ang katiwalian at kasinungalingan kakampe sa katotohanan at kabutihan [Musika] to interpolate is Congresswoman Mika swans sing you’re recognized Thank you very much Mr chair Good evening everyone Uh Mr chair I would like to Focus my interpellation um to Mr Arnold Rodolfo de la Serna my first question is you became a stockholder of Bian Sham in 2020 is that correct ah Yes po your honor Who made you a stockholder of Bian cham ah to my knowledge last 2020 po your Honor To Us Attorney peral Ortega po who

ask me to sign the document to complete the Uh to complete the corporation May I ask who Mr Attorney pereval Ortega is and what is your affiliation to him Uh He is a majority stockholder of the company po your honor um Mr chair May I ask why would Mr Percival Ortega approach you out of nowhere biglang nagsabi can you sign these documents so we can become a stockholder ah to my knowledge po your honor Uh there are Uh magkakilala po sila ni Attorney rock which is my employer that time po Uh your honor um Mr chair Let Me

Go back to the answer of Mr de la CNA earlier which is his period of employment as EA of Attorney Harry Roque was from January 2020 to November 2021 does this that you have been employed byne har prior to your stin ass executive assistant the executive assistant post was available by January 2021 until November 15 2021 po your honor but I was previously employed po ni Attorney Rocky po but not as an e but sum person po May I know your employment Under what employment cont You Under prior to your EA po in 2021 we

don’t have any contract po Uh your honor if not explain Sorry po hon exp lang what did happen kasi that time po kasi your honor nagantay po ako ng post in the office of the presidential spokesperson but it was not given until January of 2021 po your honor So what was the position prior to 2021 consultant personally employed Uh I handle the social media of Attorney Rocky po your honor so the social media I thought a while ago You said that was under your position as ea3 So were you already performing the function prior to being employed

um I started as the stock Med of atorne Roque in 2020 po your honor then I was Uh given a post by January of 2021 as an netive assistant po at the office of the presidential spokesperson po your honor Mr chair I would like to ask Mr deler Now When did you meet Attorney Harry Roque What month and what year I Met Attorney Harry rock October of 2019 po Uh your honor Mr chair um I will second the question of Attorney Jinky What makes you special kasi I wonder you Attorney Harry Roque met you in October 2019 and he knows Mr pereval

Ortega and Mr pereval Ortega approached you to become a stakeholder of banam in 2020 ang stakeholder ni Mr Percival Ortega is it because of your affiliation to Mr hary Roque um maybe that is because po I really don’t know the answer po ah bakit ako yung napili po ah Madam chair Mr chair I would like to ask buse you will not accept a post without an offer So what what was in exchange of that perma ka ng mga documents para maging stockholder ano iung inoffer sayo where you offered the compensation wala pong compensation y your honor in any

kind po to my knowledge po your honor because Uh it was just a I do not know Uh completing for the five Mon Uh law of corporation po your honor Mr chair if i hear that correctly you agreed to becoming a stockholder by name without any compensation without any responsibilities without any official responsibilities Mr chair walang buy in no nothing um I would like to seek council To My Legal council po Mr chair Mr chair um Yes Uh Mr ch good Hello po Mr chair I would like to seek legal advice from My Legal council po Mr chair Do you have your

lawyer with you ah Yes po Mr chair What is His name Uh His name is Uh Attorney San Agustin po Where is Attorney San Agustin Attorney Can you please enter your appearance before the committee Mr chair um Kevin San Agustin from the law office of roas sanagustin yason your honor respectfully entering my appearance for Mr de la Cerna Okay Thank you ah pakiulit lang ulit Iyung law firm Iyung law office that’s rojas San Agustin and yason your honor rojas San Agustin and yason your honor rojas San Agustin and yason thank you Ah yes Uh ar

Please reply Mr ch Congressman akop muna May ask the lawyer who contacted his services Attorney Okay Mr chair I’m sorry I did not catch the question Who contacted you to be the lawyer of Mr de Cerna Attorney Roque your honor Okay si Attorney rock was the one who engaged your law firm to be the lawyer of Mr de la Cerna May i clarify your honor may I be allowed to explain your honor No but kindly Mr chair Please proceed There’s a question asked and therefore as a lawyer He should answer that first before he explains Yes your

honor um Sorry your honor could you please repeat the question my question the question of Congressman akop is who contacted you to be the lawyer of Mr de la CNA and you replied it was Attorney Roque correct Yes your honor and you have an engagement contract with with Mr de la Cerna no your honor are you doing this Pro bono for Mr de la Cerna Yes your honor Please proceed Congress Mr ch let me repeat my question um to Mr arna you agreed to be a stockholder by name of Bian cham without any buyin without any compensation No dividends No

Promise of any offer just by name no responsibilities when you were approached by Mr Percival Ortega to sign the incorporation documents I would like to ask My Legal council for advice for that Mr chair Say yes sir no Mr chair It is a yes or no question so Uh Mr ch I will defer to you whether or not you will allow Mr deler not to confer with this council can you repeat the question Again I’m sorry Congresswoman can you repeat the question no problem Mr chair Mr chair my question to Mr ar de la Cerna is when he

signed the um the documents that allowed him to become a stakeholder of banam in 2020 when he was approached by Mr per Ortega by endorsement by Mr Harry Roque He did so and agreed to become a stockholder by name without any promise of a Dividend a salary And without any buyin so pumayag po siya na will make you a stockholder by name without any responsibilities without any buy in into the company Mr chair please answer Hindi naman mahirap sagutin yung tanong tanong ni Congresswoman swan sing Mr delaserna um Mr Chairman Ah medyo medyo Matagal na

kasi yung time I cannot remember if I was given anything that time to be honest po So um Hindi ko po maalala if I was given compensation or not But I cannot assume that I was given compensation po iyun po Iyung sagot ko but were you promised salary or any form of compensation when you signed the document Uh Mr chair hindi Uh I am not sure po Um if I was given buse that was in 2020 pa po okay Mr ch if I will sign a document as important as that becoming a nominal stakeholder not just a stockholder Actually you’re a nominal stockholder as

per the documents submitted um by banam holdings and Trading INC for me that is such a substantial document to sign and even though for example um 10 years ago I would know if I received a sum or i would know whether I will be offered a salary Mr chair so I refused To Believe Mr chair that Mr ar de la Serna does not remember whether He was compensated but Mr chair Let let me add another point if you don’t remember whether you received any compensation at the time or not since Uh let me ask another question Are

you still affiliated with banham holdings now Ah no no you’re honor um How long were you a nominal stockholder of Bian cham um within this year po your honor nag-sign na po ako kasi Kinuha na po siya ng family ni atorne I am not allowed to say anything kasi hindi manak part ng family nila but they are fixing it already now tas nag-sign na sil ng paper sa amin that they are getting my share my apologies Mr chair let me ask for a clarificatory question would you mind repeating that Mr de la Serna you said um that the stocks were taken away

from you when and by Who you mentioned it already I am not sure if I am allowed to speak about it um your honor because it is not yet h ako sure if it is executed but already assigned a document I’m not sure what document what was that pero pin po siya saakin giving my share to ma Mila ro the wife of Attorney ro so Mr chair for my colleagues here were saying They didn’t hear so um your you already signed documents now transferring your shares back to Mrs rock is that correct yes yes Correct your honor may you please let us know

the first name of Mrs rock ah Uh Mrs Mila ro po your honor Mila Yes Mila So you transferred your shares in Bian share po one lang po iyun your honor is that one um based on the document you do have one share Okay noted um so I I see it here in the document So you transferred your share back to Mrs Mila rock Okay Mr chair let me go back again to my question I’m trying to figure out the circumstances by which you met Attorney Harry Roque and What’s so special about this affiliation that he will make you a stockholder of a company So um May I ask

the circumstances by which you met Attorney Harry ro in 2019 October 2019 dur October of 2029 ah 2019 your honor Uh there was inauguration in our barangay po nagbigyan po kami ng ah covered court Uh which was a project through the office of Attorney ro when he was still a Congressman in the 17 Congress po Uh during the past po my mother was a barangay captain po of that Barangay and was invited to the aeration which was Kasama po ako then doon ko po na-meet si Attorney Roque po ah your honor Mr chair um kung kung naintindihan

ko po so pumunta si Attorney Harry roque sa isang inauguration ng covered court sa kanilang Barangay kung saan po Um barangay captain po ang nanay ni Mr de la Cerna at pagkatapos non doun lang kayo nagkakilala ah Yes po ah your honor to’s pagkatapos po non kinuha ka na po niya na na social media ah ah Hindi po Um nag-work po ako sa kanya ng 2020 po ng may po bilang ah socmed person po your honor so Tapos pagkatapos non ginawa ka na kaagad niya na stockholder ng and my knowledge also that time your honor parang very limited lang kaming stuff na

pumapasok that time so I was Uh chosen of Uh isa po na MMA po to complete the company po Ano po ang naon na Mr de la Cerna ginawa po kayong stockholder ng banam or employ po kayo bilang social media manager the employment po of socmed Mr Sher babalik pa po ako doon ah tina-try ko i establish pero mag-skip muna ako kasi bilang ako hindi ko iisipin po na bigyan ng stock ng share sa isang kompanya yung um tao nakakakilala ko pa lang um So I’ll go back to that Mr chair um Mr del Cerna tatanungin ko po yung mga aktibidades

niyo po habang kayo ay nominal stockholder ng bansa maitanong ko lang po where you asked to sign documents while you were a part of um banam ah no po your honor Bukod sa Ikaw po ay stockholder um naging miembro din po kayo ng Board of directors ng Bian Tama po ba ah Yes po your honor Opo dahil yun po yung nandito sa dokumento na hawak ko sa submission po ng banam kayo po ay miyembro ng Board of directors nagsabay po ba yung pagkakataon na kayo ay executive assistant ni Attorney hoke at kayo ay Board of Director ng banam sabay

po yon um so sorry po hindi ko I’m not sure but I guess it’s the same but I’m not 100 sure na Yes po yung sagot ko But it’s like 80% Sure sige po Um bilang miyembro po ng Board of directors ng banam are you aware of the transactions na ginagawa po ng corporation no your honor So ibig sabihin po kayo ay stockholder lang miembro ng Board of Director by name pumipirma po kayo ng mga dokumento ng hindi po alam yung mga ngayari um I had full trust and confidence with Attorney peral po ah your honor Sige po Um Alam niyo po ba na ang banam ay

nagmamay-ari ng share sa ibang mga corporasyon ah no your honor um one of these corporations po ay ang first Bataan mareveles holding Corp or ang FB mhc um sinasabi ko lang po at um may mamayari po ang banam na 50% ng FB mhc um aware po ba kayo Mr de cer na nung panahon na kayo ay miyembro ng Board of directors ng Bian cham na ang banam po ay pumasok sa isang partnership sa green Mile realty corporation ah Yes po your honor aware po kayo ah Yes po so naaalala niyo po na pumirma po kayo ng dokumento na pumapayag po na pumasok ang

banam ah sa partnership po sa greenmile realty Corp um alam k may piner ang document But I’m not sure It was a partnership with green something po Hindi ako sure so binabawi niyo po yung kan alam k may pahan akong document But I cannot fully say na it was with green yun po yyung sinabi Mr chair I highlight this Because one of the key projects of the partnership between greenmile realty Corp and banam which then became FB mhc or the first Bataan Mariveles holding corporation is to develop a plot of land in Mariveles

Bataan with the size of 422 hectares o iung tinatawag po na Mariveles land and the development project was valued at 1.8 billion ah um Mr ar deer na ah kayo po ay sumasangayon na ang 1.8 billiones ay malaking halaga po ah Yes po your on napak napakalaking halaga po non at alam niyo po ba kung saan kinuha ng banam yung ganito kalaki na pondo para po mabili ang ganitong 1.

8 billion na lupa to be honest po your h the transactions of bamp po my apologies Mr Che Mr del Can you please repeat ah to be honest po your honor I do not know the activities of banchan po Mr chair um I feel like the recurring theme here is Mr ar de la Serna science documents as the Board of Director without any knowledge or without reading The the subject matter May I ask po let’s say dumating yung dokumento sa harap niyo Sino po ang kinonsulta niyo na pwede ko ba Ong pirmahan ah Attorney Ortega po I have full trust and confidence to

Attorney peral Ortega po your honor um sino ulit si Attorney Percival Ortega At bakit Bukod sa ipinakilala siya SAO ni Attorney Harry Roque Bakit napakalaki ng pagtitiwala mo sa kay Mr Percival Ortega Um okay naman po ka up si atorne Val po Um your honor um miss Mr chair may I also I guess ang Parati ko pong naiisip dito ay yung pareho po sa sinasabi ni Miss materna doon sa mga dati nating tanong na pumipirma lang ng pumipirma um pero sige po ang tanong ko po kinonsulta niyo po ba si Attorney Harry Roque kapag kayo ay pumipirma ng mga

dokumento sa banam UM ang kino-consider at ibinalik mo yung shares na galing na nasa SAO papunta sa kanyang asawa hindi ba nag ibig sabihin noon na-share nila yon Bago ilipat SAO Kaya kailangan mo siyang konsultahin sa mga desisyon patungkol sa Bantam Sorry po hindi ko na-gets yun kasi po Ulitin ko po ‘ ba may one share ka sa banam Alam mo ba Kanino galing yung share na yon ah no your honor bakit kanina nung tinatanong ka namin ang sagot mo binalik ko po yung share kay Mrs maya Roque hindi ba ibig sabihin non Alam mo na galing din kay

Mrs Roque yyung share na nabigay sayo what I mean sa binabalik ko Uh your honor is Alam ko na completing share holder lang po talaga ako doon ah I do not own anything Don i have not invested on it so binabalik ko lang po kung sino yung sabihin ni Attorney paral Ortega po your honor matanong ko lang po nung panahon po na nasa banam kayo active pa po ba si Attorney har doon sa mga aktibidades ng banam to your knowledge that he attend any of the meetings meron siyang Maski ako po your honor Wala po akong na meeting po ngam So

um Hindi ko po alam kayne nagattend po siya So ch we have established here that Mr um ar de la Serna is a stockholder of bansan by name um entered into agreements without any knowledge of these agreements so by name lang po talaga um ay nandon siya at huling tanong po Mr chair if I may do do you have any relationship with any other corporation registered with the se either as a stockholder or as a member of the board of directors B bukod po sabian cham ang alam ko I guess hindi ako sure po ah your honor I guess for

the pwede k i-check yyung emails ko po Mr ch alam po meron pong isa pa I’m not sure if ano po iyun nag-sign lang din po ako non your honor Mr sh This is a very important question um wala ng ibang kumpanya na ikaw ay pumirma ng in corporation documents ah there’s one more to my knowledge po your honor What What is the name of the other corporation Hindi ako sure you honor pero I know in myself na Meron pa akong isang pinirmahan po This is critical Mr de la Serna we need to know what other corporation your up You’re aart of and

sino ulit yung nagpapirma SAO ng Incorporation or Same po Uh Attorney pereval Ortega pa rin po your honor Ano ang relasyon ni Mr Percival Ortega kay Attorney hoke ah there are law classmates po your honor law classmates at nung pinakilala ka gawin mong stockholder sinabi na car na lang yyung kunin mo na ah yes your honor to complete the requirement of the corporate law po your honor is that the same case with this other Corporation ah Yes po ah your honor may you please let us know the name of that corporation

Hindi ako sure Sorry po I do not I do not know po your honor to be honest Hindi ko po alam pero alam ko aside from yan siya May isa pa akong c9 po na document Anong industry Anong anong sector nung other corporation na iyon to be honest po your honor Hindi ako sure if Anong company po iyun in what industry um Mr chair can can you I I don’t know this is very important but um I hope that Mr deer can furnish us Mr chair with the name of that other corporation because Mr chair my concern is if he’s signing documents for banam corporation um

without knowing the nature of these documents he most likely is also pumipirma ka din ba ng mga papel para d sa isang corpor na yon ah Parang once lang yun your honor ah Mr Cher Sorry Babalik lang ako sa tanong ni Cong Jinky kanina um ngayon na Hindi ka na employed under um the office of the presidential spokesperson as an EA What is your relationship with Attorney Harry rock now ah privilege employer po si Uh Attorney ro po i maintain a professional relationship with my privilege employers po your honor Bakit

po yung inendorse ni Attorney Harry Roque kay um Miss Cass Ong na mag-stay po sa lucky 99 compound ah I was not endorsed by atorney ro po na-introduce po ako Ako po yung kumausap kay ma’am kandra leong if pwede ako mag-stay sa lodging houses po nila in porak per paan naman nakilala si miss the introduction of ro po your honor so nago ka lang sa kanya after the fact na after kayo in-introduce hindi ka in-endorse tulad ng ibang mga pagkakataon na in-endorse kayo ni Attorney Harry Roque kay Miss cassi Ong na kasi pakipasok si ar

sa kasi doon your honor was Uh nagtanong po sa akin si Ma’am Cassandra if Ano ang ginagawa ko po sa Pampanga then I was very honest with or not I was looking for a place to stay because I’ll be starting Uh my flying school soon and sabi naman niya they have lodging houses in I know in my know it was angelas not even Porac so Uh when i check the place Uh It’s 10 to 15 minutes um salary grade 17 to salary grade 20 po kayo um sa s buwan po na na-employ kayo kay Mr Harry Roque um parang Naglalaro po sa 370,000 hanggang

ngayon so yun lang po wala po kayong natatanggap na compensation galing po kay Attorney had from po ba yung tanong niyo your honor o yung tulong hindi siya tumutulong SAO ngayon he endor me to Attorney san augustine po Actually ang first meeting namin Attorney is not sorry Mr del could you speak closer to the mic please to be hest po under the first time na nag-meet kami ni Attorney San is not to represent me in Senate or in Congress but to file a motion to C to get my stuff in porak po kasi kailangan ko na talaga yung mga naiwan ko pong

gamit Don because as i progress on my flying school naiwan ko po doon iyung mga mapa ko at most of my uniform is still there din po Um Sorry Mr Sher iba po yung tanong ko Meron po ba kayong natatanggap ngayon aside from the endorsement of to natulungan ako ni Attorney san gustin no po Uh your honor um Mr chair ah Siguro po one of the questions that I have is why What is the special um Why the preferential treatment um to Mr ar de la Serna is it because nakita po na He’s someone who would sign who would enter into agreements willing

to be an incorporator by name um Siguro po yun po siguro yung iniisip ko Mr chair Kasi nahihirapan ako na maniwala na pinipirmahan ni Mr ar de la na itong mga dokumento na ito ng walang kinokonsulta dahil mahahalaga po itong mga dokumento na ito So sir Mr ch ang mahalagang tanong po nitong ating komite Ay sino po yung talagang rin representa ni Mr ar de la C na Kaninong inter po Um kasi posible po na merong personalidad Mr chair na dahil merong mga ah may mga restrictions halimbawa po para po sa mga government officials

Hindi po tayo pwedeng pumasok sa mga particular na mga transactions kaya po kailangan po merong pribadong indibidwal na tatayo para sa atin sa mga ganong Mga transaksyon posibleng Yun po yung Um yung ah posisyon ni Mr ar de la CNA So um I don’t want to use the term Mr chair pero meron kasing gumagamit ng mga um dummy or proxies na para humarap po sa mga transaction um dito po sa mga korporasyon na to at mahalaga po para sa ating komite na malaman sino po itong personalidad na ito um Mr ch I will continue to probe Mr ar de la Serna on

what that other corporation is that he is a stakeholder of um kaya Mr ar de la Serna babalikan ka namin before the end of this hearing check your emails check your text messages we need to know what that other corporation um is na you’re part of ah Yes po your honor salita na ang ibig sabihin dito ay Ang pagkakaisa bunyog party list Halikan na halikan na bunyog party list ka na Halik ka na Halik ka na bunyog parist ka na sa susunod ang atin ng suportahan bunyog party list nagtataguyod ng katotohanan lumalaban para sa bayan